Who Is Your God?

[turtle]

Lev 11:44 does not originally say that blessing maggots (kosher or non-kosher) makes it ok to eat. What is the wording in your Bible version? Thank you for the link.

[turtle]

Originally Posted by Arius

Turtle, you sure love those particular verses for stuff.

Any particular verse that you would like to mention?

[Arius]

Originally Posted by turtle

Any particular verse that you would like to mention?

I could go through the multitude of verses you have quoted...some incorrectly I might add (don't ask for examples, I pointed them out back in the day when I cared to).

You love the verse...I can't imagine being so in love with words as to live my life by them. Particularly since they are one of the least effective forms of communication and are the creation of man.

[turtle]

Arius-

Didn't Jesus use words to communicate such as his Sermon on the Mount?
What's wrong with those words?

If language was just the creation of men then why is language classified in distinct families?
The parent language of each family has not been found or identified.
Isn't that because the languages did not descend or branched off from one another?
Each language is capable of expressing the full range if human thinking, feelings too.
Shakespeare found language to be an effective form of communication.

Don't use a verse that I quoted. Use another. What verse did Jesus quote incorrectly?

[Arius]

turtle, let's just leave this discussion. I never heard the words of Jesus, and put very little faith in them as transcribed. I will ask this though, how have the WORDS of Jesus impacted the faith that now calls him God? Look at the history of the faith you discuss and tell me...how have those words made a difference?

It's the person imparting such enormous value in words who loses sight of the truth...and that is, invariably, why your quoting chapter and verse is meaningless.

[turtle]

Originally Posted by Arius

turtle, let's just leave this discussion. I never heard the words of Jesus, and put very little faith in them as transcribed. I will ask this though, how have the WORDS of Jesus impacted the faith that now calls him God? Look at the history of the faith you discuss and tell me...how have those words made a difference?
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Which 'faith' ? 1st-century Christianity, or what developed after the first century ended and developed into Christendom or so-called Christianity?

Christendom calls Jesus as God. Scripture does not.
Jesus never directed prayer to himself but the his Father.
He asked God for help, not Jesus help me.

How did the words of the Hebrew OT Scriptures affect the religious leaders of Jesus day and their followers? The religious leaders did not teach only Scripture but their 'church' traditions or customs outside of Scripture. Christendom has done the same thing teaching their own handed-down customs and traditions from pagan roots not found in OT/NT Scripture.

So, it is not the WORDS of Jesus, but the words of the 'clerical man of sin' (2 Thess 2:3-10) the 'man of the cloth' that sits himself in the temple or 'House of Worship' but really is a son of destruction and is anti-God.

The 'clergy class' often puts words in Jesus mouth instead of listening to the WORDS that came out of Jesus mouth in order to further their own agenda often political.

So, how have the words of Christendom's religious leaders impacted the faith that calls Jesus as God? We can see Christendom has run afoul playing false to God and his Christ and they have raised a bumper crop of spiritual 'weeds' (tares) (Mt 13:24-30) that will be part of the goat-like ones of Matt chap 25.

Yes, look at the history of that so-called 'faith' that developed in Christendom especially around the time of Constantine, and we can see weed-like (false) Christians have grown together with wheat-like (genuine) Christians over the centuries with Christendom's wolf-like clergy in sheep clothing (Acts 20:29,30), and it is now nearing the time that Jesus as Shepherd will separate the weed (goats) from the wheat (sheep). Jesus words have made a difference to those that want to know What the Bible Really Teaches rather than follow the traditional teachings of Christendom with its roots traced back to pagan Babylon.

[Arius]

Turtle...what you are mentioning are semantics. The "Son" of God or God Herself, what your faith requires is a bit of arrogance. First, you must believe that the man you follow has some extraordinary relationship to God and then second you must believe that your way is the only way to God. Also in this arrogance, you pretend that somehow your type of Christianity is better than some other, as if by some stroke of miracle you and those like you "get it", while others do not.

While you both revert to the same text that leads you both astray. Pat Robertson quotes the same text as you do, same chapters and verses without change. The point to my entering this discussion was not to call you wrong, but to ask you what makes you RIGHT...and you can't tell me except to point to the same iteration as those you say are wrong do. Such a foundation makes the entire structure weak.

I will again ask you for individual accounts of experience that make the words you so readily cite right.

[turtle]

Pat may quote, but he is unlike the Ethiopian Official of Acts (8:30,31) that knew he needed guidance from Scripture. Where does it say in Scripture that God is punishing by earthquakes?

Jesus did not say when the tower of Siloam fell and killed 18 it was punishment from God, but wrong place wrong time- Luke 13:4,5; Ecc 9:11.

Jesus had an extraordinary relationship with God. Jesus knew he was the way, truth, life.

When we apply Bible principles, morals, standards we reap good benefits.
They become living principles that govern one's life for the best way of living.
When Jesus words reach the hearts of people they put away the old personality and put on the new personality which is Christ-like in love. - John 13:34,35.
Isn't Christ-like love how Jesus said one could recognize the true from the false?

[shane99890]

It is a difficult question to answer. According all gods are equal. But you want special then I believe in lord Venkateswara. I use to visit temple at tirumala in Andhra pradesh..

[turtle]

Originally Posted by shane99890

It is a difficult question to answer. According all gods are equal. But you want special then I believe in lord Venkateswara. I use to visit temple at tirumala in Andhra pradesh..

It was Not a difficult question for Jesus to answer.

Jesus never believed all gods are =equal.
Jesus believed only the one true God was God over him.
(John 20:17 ; Rev 3:12)

Where is the god 'Baal' today?

1st Kings 18:21 said to the people how long would they be limping upon two different opinions? If the LORD(YHWH) is God follow him; but if Baal is follow him.
Please notice by verse 39 the pagan peoples concluded that the God of the Bible is the true God.