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[blockerhead]

Originally Posted by Arius

Every single law or action of government is caused by our inability to govern ourselves even at the most minute levels. Therefore yes, we can tax people to make sure they don't pollute the environment or add greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere in the same way we can fine them for exceeding the speed limit, jail them for stealing a loaf of bread, or kill them for killing.

This is NOT and has NEVER BEEN for me about stopping global warming...it has been about eliminating our horrible and destructive practices as a possible SOURCE for global warming. What you are saying is that the destruction is fine...what I am saying is the whatever the truth about global warming may be, it is NOT fine. It needs to end, it is just too bad you seem willing to continue destruction just to ensure you are right.

Such foolishness will be met someday...just like the smoker who wonders why they didn't quit years before they were dying of lung cancer...but it will be too late. That is what happens when meaningless takes the place of meaningful.

Well, finally you admit what we have been saying. Thanks.

The first step should be to get rid of the Dept of Energy, as it's the oil lobby that uses this government agency to prevent alternative energy, and write our nation's energy policy in their favor.

If the people want green power, we will get it, and it will not be the government that provides it, as the government is in the pocket of the oil companies.

(I find it so odd that the government and media that lied to you about the reasons for Middle East warfare can now be trusted beyond reproach on pollution and climate. It seem as long as the liar is telling the sweet lie we want to hear it's embraced on the left or right. And you make fun of the warfare statists? What arrogance! POT says KETTLE is BLACK)

Cap and trade will NOT achieve your goals. It's just a way for Goldman Sachs and the UN to make trillions, and nothing will be done about pollution, as the largest polluters get to buy their way to pollute with impunity. No more tort liability for injured parties, as CAP and trade will eliminate your ability to sue anyone if you are polluted by what is covered in the bill.

But, the UN is about to punt global warming, er climate change, soon, it's been exposed, so get ready for a new world government religion. At least the church has been consistent about Jesus, and not forced their followers to jump ship.

[Pineygirl]

Originally Posted by Arius

This is NOT and has NEVER BEEN for me about stopping global warming...it has been about eliminating our horrible and destructive practices as a possible SOURCE for global warming.

It's one thing to behave responsibly. That makes sense on every level.

What's shocking is you're willing to change your entire way of life -- and pay more and more money out of your pocket -- for something that is "possible"? You're willing to panic and worry and fret that "pollution" and global warming will kill off humankind to the point that you're willing to accept any solution, no matter how ridiculous it is.

Well, I've got news for you. It's also "possible" that born-again Christians are correct, and you need to be born again or you'll lose your eternal soul. There's about 2,000+ years' worth of testimony to that effect.

It's also "possible" that George Bush was correct when he invaded Iraq. Time will tell on that one, but it is "possible" because the end game hasn't yet played out. And he did get rid of a very nasty dictator, and Iraqis can vote.

It's also "possible" that Sarah Palin would make a fantastic president one day. After all, she's been a mayor and a governor, and has proven herself in those capacities.

Yet you won't change your attitudes on those issues.

Interesting.

[Arius]

Originally Posted by Pineygirl

It's one thing to behave responsibly. That makes sense on every level.

What's shocking is you're willing to change your entire way of life -- and pay more and more money out of your pocket -- for something that is "possible"? You're willing to panic and worry and fret that "pollution" and global warming will kill off humankind to the point that you're willing to accept any solution, no matter how ridiculous it is.

Why is it so shocking to want to change a way of life that is destructive? I would say that should say more about you who view it as shocking than those who don't. What I find shocking is that despite the knowledge that pollution destroys more than it creates, you would NOT worry about the damage and death caused by unnecessary pollution.

And I don't see the solutions we have discussed as ridiculous, no more so than fines and punishments for anti-social behavior are ridiculous. I see the inaction as more ridiculous.

Well, I've got news for you. It's also "possible" that born-again Christians are correct, and you need to be born again or you'll lose your eternal soul. There's about 2,000+ years' worth of testimony to that effect.

In that 2,000 years there is much more evidence that they are wrong. Just look at the history of Christianity.

But THAT is irrelevant. If Christianity FEELS right to you, then you should follow it to the extend it feels right at the highest levels. If Christianity makes you feel peace and presents to the universe a higher version of yourself, you SHOULD follow it. If pollution and destroying of ecosystems feels right to you, then you should follow that too. I follow a path of discussion and action to stop pollution and destruction because it feels RIGHT to me.

I also believe that Blocker is right, the idea of legislating this ending of destruction seems ridiculous UNTIL you realize that we are not mature (evolved) enough Beings to do end these actions on our own. The entire debate seems to prove that. Therefore, it seems the only way to end them is through legislation forcing the kids not to write on the walls.

It's also "possible" that George Bush was correct when he invaded Iraq. Time will tell on that one, but it is "possible" because the end game hasn't yet played out. And he did get rid of a very nasty dictator, and Iraqis can vote.

And over a million people died in the process. Do you think that the end justified the means? If you look at the Iraqi invasion from a strictly "Christian" view (no, not the Christianity you seem to employ which is molded around your need to be right, but the message of Jesus as it is written) and a view based on love and compassion, it would seem that the end certainly did not justify the means.

I would give up my right to vote to save a million lives any day. Besides most Americans don't vote let alone kill to give others the right to.

t's also "possible" that Sarah Palin would make a fantastic president one day. After all, she's been a mayor and a governor, and has proven herself in those capacities.

Sure is...if you say so.

Yet you won't change your attitudes on those issues.

You are wrong there. Remember, I am weak because I am flexible and willing to change. HOWEVER, I never change on a whim, and until the need tob e labeled Christian feels right to me, until the million or so lives lost in Iraq mean less to me than Saddam or a vote, or Sarah Palin proves herself capable (which she has NOT done to date in my estimation) then my mind cannot change. I would allow it to, but I won't force it to.

[blockerhead]

The invasion of Iraq was a HUGE violation of ST. Augustine's Just War Theory.
That was the theory that made him a saint, I think.

There really was nothing Christian about it. But warfare never is.

[Arius]

Originally Posted by blockerhead

The invasion of Iraq was a HUGE violation of ST. Augustine's Just War Theory.
That was the theory that made him a saint, I think.

There really was nothing Christian about it. But warfare never is.

Exactly, war is contrary to the entire Christian philosophy as spelled out by Jesus in his most enlightened state. How any Christian can support war is beyond me except to say that they don't really live as Christian in deed but in word only.

Imagine if war was eradicated...and there is only one way to accomplish that to the degree that is necessary for a furthering of man's evolution.

[njriverman]

Originally Posted by Arius

Exactly, war is contrary to the entire Christian philosophy as spelled out by Jesus in his most enlightened state. How any Christian can support war is beyond me except to say that they don't really live as Christian in deed but in word only.

Imagine if war was eradicated...and there is only one way to accomplish that to the degree that is necessary for a furthering of man's evolution.

I am almost afraid to ask,

what is the one way to eradicate war?

[blockerhead]

Global warming book withdrawn - Omaha.com



Global warming book withdrawn


Millard Public Schools will stop using a children's book about global warming -- but only until the district can obtain copies with a factual error corrected.

A review committee, convened after parents complained, concluded that author Laurie David's book, "The Down-to-Earth Guide to Global Warming," contained "a major factual error" in a graphic about rising temperatures and carbon dioxide levels.

Mark Feldhausen, associate superintendent for educational services, this week sent a letter to parents who complained, including the wife of U.S. Rep. Lee Terry of Nebraska, outlining the committee's findings.

"Although the authors have pledged to correct the graph in subsequent editions, the committee recommends that this correction be made to all MPS-owned texts before using it with students in the future," Feldhausen wrote.

Corrected versions will continue to be used in Millard's sixth-grade language arts curriculum, he wrote.

However, the district will cease to use a companion video about global warming, narrated by actor Leonardo DiCaprio, he wrote.

The committee found the video "without merit" and recommended that it not be used.

Robyn Terry, the congressman's wife, had described the video as a "political commercial."

Lee and Robyn Terry released a statement saying they were pleased with the decision and "impressed" by the district’s handling of the case.

"We are pleased with their decision not to use the politically natured global warming video as a classroom instruction tool and that they have set a standard that information-based texts must be factually correct to be put in front of our children," they wrote.

A committee of five middle school parents, three teachers and one administrator met to determine whether the book and video served a proper purpose within the curriculum.

The book, new to the Millard curriculum this year, was part of "Plugged in to Non-Fiction," a collection of books on a variety of subjects. Parts of the book were required reading for sixth-graders in Millard reading and language-arts classes.

Three parents, including Robyn Terry, complained to the district. The Terrys’ 12-year-old son attended Beadle Middle School last year. Mrs. Terry said that the materials used in his class portrayed global warming as fact when scientists disagree.

In the video, DiCaprio attributes global warming to mankind’s "destructive addiction" to oil. He says "big corporations" and politicians gained too much money and power "on our addiction," making them "dangerously resistant to change."

In the letter to parents, Feldhausen said the committee recognized there are "multiple viewpoints" on global warming. The committee recommended that all teachers using the book "make students aware of both sides of the global warming theory," he said.

[Pineygirl]

Thank God there's sanity somewhere in America!

[Arius]

Yes, censoring books is the way all good conservatives handle a topic. I wonder if they will burn them too...

It is highly objectionable that you would call this "sanity".

In the video, DiCaprio attributes global warming to mankind’s "destructive addiction" to oil. He says "big corporations" and politicians gained too much money and power "on our addiction," making them "dangerously resistant to change."

Nope, kids don't need to hear THIS point. We need them to CONTINUE the addiction rather than to see us as addicts. What a bunch of nonsense this is!

[godless liberal]

so that liberal British media actually reviewed the facts of that 'clinategate' and issued a retraction. Thing was a hoax, guys. Keep grasping, though.

RealClimate: Leakegate: A retraction