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[Pineygirl]

And why are you so obsessed with scatological words?
Another thing you may want to discuss with your therapist.

[oldhardhead]

Originally Posted by Arius

Wow, thanks for the education. I had no idea.

Mercury occurs naturally. Kiddie Kollege is an example of naturally occurring mercury becoming a pollutant.

Sulfur occurs naturally. Acid rain (which was virtually eliminated by a similar mechanism to Cap & Trade) is the result of sulfur as a pollutant.

Nitrogen is naturally occurring and composes 78% of the earth's atmosphere. Yet, through the human use of nitrogen for farming, it can pollute the groundwater system with human damaging consequences, usually in the form of cancer or thyroid condition.

Should I go on about the naturally occurring elements or molecules that man has turned into pollutants OHH? Nature is very specific as to the use of things, and when man exceeds nature's balance there are consequences. Sure, CO2 is a naturally occurring molecule, but would you build your house next door to a major emitter of CO2 or let your kids play in a playground adjacent to that property?

Or would you fill up your house with CO2 and live there because you have plants?

And that is what we are doing, we are filling up our house (the Earth) with more CO2 than it can handle. The result is the capture of solar energy underneath the atmosphere, which is causing warming. In addition, we are taking natural resources that are designed to provide balance...trees for example. The detestation of the rain forests have reduced Nature's ability to absorb CO2...since most of the CO2 is absorbed in the rain forest. Our pollution is destroying reefs globally with dire consequences to our ecosystem. We are the cause to the effect at some level, it is up to us to be the cause for much different results.

You simply cannot overlook the trash in the Pacific Ocean created by man, The world's rubbish dump: a garbage tip that stretches from Hawaii to Japan - Environment - The Independent, the Superfund sites in the US created by man, Pollution Locator: Superfund, the pollution in our waterways, america's ten most polluted rivers. , and the emissions of greenhouse gasses by industry (I have not included a link because they ALL are so biased that it is impossible to find clean information). This link, however, offers scientific information is what appears an unbiased format. The Greenhouse Gases

I am not knee jerk here OHH, I have researched this and come to the conclusion that while we may not be the cause, we are certainly a part of the ecosystem that can have the greatest effect. We always seek to separate ourselves, as somehow in our greatness and God-given superiority we are NOT part of the mix...we are above it and therefore can have no impact. But when you put us into the equation, and you see our effect on our environment, you see just how wrong we are.

We were not talking about Mercury, Sulfur, Nitrogen, filling up a house with CO2, Superfund sites, or trash in the Pacific Ocean. They have NOTHING to do with cap and trade taxes to "prevent CO2 from causing global warming."

Sure, CO2 is a naturally occurring molecule, but would you build your house next door to a major emitter of CO2 or let your kids play in a playground adjacent to that property?

You mean like a beachfront property? Absolutely!

[Arius]

Originally Posted by oldhardhead

We were not talking about Mercury, Sulfur, Nitrogen, filling up a house with CO2, Superfund sites, or trash in the Pacific Ocean. They have NOTHING to do with cap and trade taxes to "prevent CO2 from causing global warming."

Sure we are, the more you emit those gasses the more you pay.

I wonder how much mercury would be present at Kiddie Kollege if the company had to pay a tax on every drop that went into the soil. I wonder how much trash would be in the Pacific if everyone who littered really had to pay for their stupidity. I wonder how much oil would be spilled if companies actually had to pay for what was sent into the environment.

And I wonder how many Superfund sites there would be if pollution was monitored and companies forced to pay a tax on every single contaminant that went into the environment.

[oldhardhead]

New in the News

Al Gore gets noticed by news analysts!

Al Gore invests millions to make billions in cap-and-trade software

Al Gore’s venture capital firm has invested $6 million in a software company that stands to make billions of dollars from cap-and-trade regulation — further fueling controversy that Gore lied about his profiteering from cap-and-trade to Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and the House Energy and Environment Subcommittee during testimony in April.

Al Gore invests millions to make billions in cap-and-trade software Green Hell Blog

Pelosi is on a mission!

Pelosi takes reins on climate change

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has quickly taken charge of moving climate change legislation through the House, which will be one of the toughest challenges of her political career.

Earlier this year, Pelosi said she was not involved in the day-to-day happenings on the controversial bill. But now that it has cleared the Energy and Commerce Committee, Pelosi is on a mission to get the climate change bill — her flagship issue — to the House floor.[...]

Asked on Tuesday if she was still hoping for “quick” action on the cap-and-trade measure, Pelosi responded: “I don’t know what quick means.”

Get her a dictionary.

“We don’t have a deadline, but everybody knows that we want to have legislation moving because, again, we want to be ready for Copenhagen,” Pelosi said on Tuesday, referring to the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, which begins in early December.

The United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen? Who the (bad word) cares about that?

“I’m optimistic that we’ll be able to move forward in a timely fashion so that our legislation will pass the House and send a clear message about Copenhagen,” Pelosi said on Tuesday.

Ahhh... the US needs "to send a clear message about Copenhagen."



Pelosi: “I don’t know what quick means.”





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[Arius]

OK OHH, here is what you do. When your points can no longer hold water you immediately go back to the "partisan" fallback position of attack the "other side" so that you can remind yourself and others why you are really against green initiatives. You aren't against them because they aren't real, or because our threat to the planet isn't real, you are against them because the "other side" is for them. This is a familiar pattern with you.

Al Gore invests millions to make billions in cap-and-trade software

Al Gore’s venture capital firm has invested $6 million in a software company that stands to make billions of dollars from cap-and-trade regulation — further fueling controversy that Gore lied about his profiteering from cap-and-trade to Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) and the House Energy and Environment Subcommittee during testimony in April.

You are now also anti-capitalism? Wow, what a turnaround!!

I mean, let's all jump on the "Green Hell" blog bandwagon, as if somehow a clean environment is now "hell". Amazing. Hey, Steve Milloy actually offers his "Green Hell" book for sale...no similar conflict there.

The United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen? Who the (bad word) cares about that?

It is a conference for the world to discuss climate change. Remember, you don't want "isolationism"...you want to be the active player in the world. Copenhagen offers you a chance.

Ahhh... the US needs "to send a clear message about Copenhagen."

Yes, that we are a partner in the world not just in destroying parts of it, but in protecting it as well.

[oldhardhead]

Originally Posted by Arius

Sure we are, the more you emit those gasses the more you pay.

WHAT????????????

Cap & trade: taxes no one for Mercury, Sulfur, Nitrogen, filling up a house with CO2, Superfund sites, or trash in the Pacific Ocean.

I wonder how much mercury would be present at Kiddie Kollege if the company had to pay a tax on every drop that went into the soil. I wonder how much trash would be in the Pacific if everyone who littered really had to pay for their stupidity. I wonder how much oil would be spilled if companies actually had to pay for what was sent into the environment.

Kiddie Kollege: mercury in the building, not in the soil.
Cap & trade: no one is being taxed for littering, or putting trash into the Pacific
Cap & trade: taxes no one for oil spills.
Cap & trade: energy users taxed "for CO2 emissions."

Guess what those bubbles are in carbonated beverages: CO2
Guess what Dry Ice is? CO2

And I wonder how many Superfund sites there would be if pollution was monitored and companies forced to pay a tax on every single contaminant that went into the environment.

I wonder what it would be like if you knew what you were talking about.




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[Arius]

Originally Posted by oldhardhead

WHAT????????????

Cap & trade: taxes no one for Mercury, Sulfur, Nitrogen, filling up a house with CO2, Superfund sites, or trash in the Pacific Ocean.

<sigh> My point was that if there was, we would see much less pollution in those instances. Holding people responsible for their emissions, pollution, litter, whatever, and in a financial way (since we worship the dollar more than anything else in this country), reduces the likelihood that pollution will occur. It at least puts pressure on some to stop the practice.

Kiddie Kollege: mercury in the building, not in the soil.

My bad, I was under the impression that some of the soil was contaminated around the building. Still, if the company had to pay a tax for mercury not recovered and disposed of would the site even be an issue today? Depends on how much the tax was most likely.

Taxpayers will most likely now foot the bill.

Cap & trade: no one is being taxed for littering, or putting trash into the Pacific
Cap & trade: taxes no one for oil spills.
Cap & trade: energy users taxed "for CO2 emissions.

No, really? Imagine if we taxed for oil spills and littering! How clean we would be! I say we expand Cap & Trade to include those things!

Guess what those bubbles are in carbonated beverages: CO2
Guess what Dry Ice is? CO2

Thanks again for the education. I hardly knew that

I wonder what it would be like if you knew what you were talking about.

Oh, you mean AGREE WITH YOU...I get it. Only dem dar smart folk agree wit ya! Da rest of us ar jist stoopit.

[oldhardhead]

Argentine glacier advances despite warming

Perito Moreno withstands climate change but scientists aren't sure why

Argentine glacier grows despite warming - Climate Change- msnbc.com

...and it does all that without higher taxes! huh.

So far, June's chill is one for the records

So far this June is running more than 12 degrees cooler than last year, and the clouds, rain and chilly lake winds have been persistent. The average temperature at O'Hare International Airport through Friday has been only 59.5 degrees: nearly 7 degrees below normal and the coldest since records there began 50 years ago.

So far, June's chill is one for the records - WGN Weather Center Blog

All that global warming is due to the lack of horrendous cap&trade taxes.

Crops under stress as temperatures fall

Our politicians haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, observes Christopher Booker.

For the second time in little over a year, it looks as though the world may be heading for a serious food crisis, thanks to our old friend "climate change". In many parts of the world recently the weather has not been too brilliant for farmers. After a fearsomely cold winter, June brought heavy snowfall across large parts of western Canada and the northern states of the American Midwest. In Manitoba last week, it was -4ºC. North Dakota had its first June snow for 60 years.

There was midsummer snow not just in Norway and the Cairngorms, but even in Saudi Arabia. At least in the southern hemisphere it is winter, but snowfalls in New Zealand and Australia have been abnormal. There have been frosts in Brazil, elsewhere in South America they have had prolonged droughts, while in China they have had to cope with abnormal rain and freak hailstorms, which in one province killed 20 people.

But... but... but...

There are obviously various reasons for this concern as to whether the world can continue to feed itself, but one of them is undoubtedly the downturn in world temperatures, which has brought more cold and snow since 2007 than we have known for decades.

More cold and snow? Darn that global warming!!!

It is now more than 200 years since the great astronomer William Herschel observed a correlation between wheat prices and sunspots. When the latter were few in number, he noted, the climate turned colder and drier, crop yields fell and wheat prices rose. In the past two years, sunspot activity has dropped to its lowest point for a century. One of our biggest worries is that our politicians are so fixated on the idea that CO2 is causing global warming that most of them haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, with all the implications that has for whether we get enough to eat.

It is appropriate that another contributory factor to the world's food shortage should be the millions of acres of farmland now being switched from food crops to biofuels, to stop the world warming,

Wheat prices and sunspots, eh? I gotta go call my broker...


"millions of acres of farmland now being switched from food crops to biofuels, to stop the world warming? " IT WORKED!!!!

HAHAHAHAHahahaha!!!!

Crops under stress as temperatures fall - Telegraph

Obviously, the government must own and operate the entire means of transportation auto industry to combat "global warming" by making cars nobody wants.





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[Pineygirl]

"millions of acres of farmland now being switched from food crops to biofuels, to stop the world warming? " IT WORKED!!!!

The good news is we'll stop global warming.
The bad news is we'll all starve to death.

[proudrepub1]

I confess to not reading all the posts on this subject, mainly because the issue is SO FAR from critical (or even real) that I cannot bring myself to debate an issue that is a man made money making scheme.

Yet, I just recently saw a news piece on a barn that measures the gas that the bovine (cows) release thru .....uh gas (LOL). This is a real study, nice work if you can get it. But the results, if you believe that sort of thing, were minimal at best. WOW. These new man made animals are not so dangerous, huh? When did we invent cows and pigs and such, I can't remember the date.

If you look at our own recent weather history, say 5 years for Woodbury, you will see that OHH is correct. It has actually gotten cooler. Al Gore is creditied for that, because Sweeney implemented a two minute rule on all Democraps when they speak on issues they claim to know about. Which really there aren't any. Congrats, my garden is lagging way behind this year due to the cold and the rain........Global warming at its best!