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[blockerhead]

Originally Posted by SheriB

Like we had to go into Iraq NOW to get the bad little terrorists? And those WMDs? That was very deliberative and effective. The only difference is this time, no one has to die. Like the video shows, if you take action and global warming is a hoax, the economy takes a hit. If you do nothing and global warming is real and preventable, well, you have to worry about a bit more than the economy...

We did one stupid thing, that's the reason to do another stupid thing.

The Earth has been cooling since 1998. Sun spots. Sun Spots. Sun Spots.

But, plenty of people in Africa have to die with this climate BS. Plenty.
But, Africans are not people, who cares if they die.

[SheriB]

Just their livelihoods, their ambitions, their achievements, their initiative, and their dreams. But that stuff isn't important at all.

That's a stretch, but I'm sure you can come up with some loopy and creative story to back that up.

Just what the economy needs now, right?

No people, no economy. See the forest through the trees.

[Arius]

She can't see through her very dark tinted glasses SheriB to get to the trees to see the forest.

It's all about money to her...life has no meaning without it. "Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's." You don't destroy that which is God's in order to have that which is Caesar's live.

Unless you are a Republican conservative. Than God only matters when you can use It to enforce your views on the world.

[oldhardhead]

Originally Posted by Arius

I am not sure how a program aimed at providing incentives for those who emit greenhouse gasses to reduce those emissions is not about clean air.

Because...

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CO2 is an insignificant "greenhouse gas." Insignificant means it does not matter.

Carbon Dioxide, CO2, is not a pollutant.

Since CO2 is not a pollutant, it is not causing dirty air.




That's why it has nothing to do with "clean air."

CO2 is good for the rain forests.

You like the rain forests, don't you?



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[Pineygirl]

Originally Posted by SheriB

No people, no economy. See the forest through the trees.

Unless, as OHH says, we reduce CO2 to the point where there are no more forests.

[Arius]

Originally Posted by oldhardhead

Because...

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CO2 is an insignificant "greenhouse gas." Insignificant means it does not matter.

Carbon Dioxide, CO2, is not a pollutant.

Since CO2 is not a pollutant, it is not causing dirty air.




That's why it has nothing to do with "clean air."

CO2 is good for the rain forests.

You like the rain forests, don't you?



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CO2 is a pollutant...or perhaps you have not read the Supreme Court decisions that says so. See, we can't trust the EPA's definition, they are owned and run by the same people who get millions from industry to protect the status quo. Hell, the government said at one time Agent Orange wasn't harmful...

So under our checks and balances system of government, CO2 has been included as a pollutant - and it is hardly an insignificant gas. Ask anyone who has been sickened by it or lost a loved one to CO2 poisoning.

See - anything of something can be a bad thing. CO2 is a green house gas, meaning that it can contribute to the warmup of the earth's surface. Given we emit much more than nature intended to be put into the atmosphere, and given that we are destroying much of the ecosystem that helps our planet get rid of CO2, the balance of nature is expediting a warming up process. If we aren't causing the warmup, we may be exacerbating the problem. Our input may cause a naturally occurring phenomenon to become a disastrous one.

Are we the only part of the Earth's ecosystem that emits CO2? Of course not, but we are the only one who does so unnaturally and to the extent we do. We COULD BE the problem, or at least making it much worse, and as long as that is the case we need to find ways of REMOVING ourselves from the equation. Greatly reducing our CO2 emissions is certainly a major step in the right direction.

What I find odd is that you are so bent in being RIGHT and in others being WRONG that you refuse to understand the benefits of clean air legislation. I always wonder why conservatives today are so bent on saving a life in the womb only to destroy it after it is born. War and pollution seem to be synonymous with conservatism today, and neither seems to be much of a pro-life stance.

Anyway OHH, rather than crying about the lack of opposition on a ballot, act. Understand that cap and trade is coming, so start putting pressure on your utility companies to invest in the clean air technology that will keep the costs down for you (and them). Start finding ways to reduce your dependence on fossil fuels. The technology is amazing right now, and will only get better as companies expand into this burgeoning market.

[oldhardhead]

Aruis,

Cap and trade is NOT clean air legislation.

CO2 is not a pollutant. It occurs naturally. Plants need it for photosynthesis. Mathematically it is insignificant as a greenhouse gas. The amount that is manmade is only a tiny amount of that.

The collectivist masters of groupthink preach. Bow to the almighty Supreme Court, the EPA and The One Obamamessiah. Government is the answer. The collectivist masters of groupthink preach that CO2 will cause Global Warming and the only solution is to command the subjects to pay severe taxes.

But hey, guess what? It will help the uber-collectivist commies.

RUSSIA: In Russia, Pollution Is Good for Business
By its own admission, Russia's electricity monopoly is the world's largest corporate producer of greenhouse gases, accounting - by itself - for nearly as much carbon dioxide as is emitted by Britain.

From smokestacks across Russia's 11 time zones, the company, Unified Energy Systems, spews out 2 percent of all human-generated carbon dioxide accumulating in the atmosphere.

What will the utility get for being the world's largest greenhouse gas polluter? It is hoping for $1 billion.

It is one of the paradoxes of the Kyoto Protocol on climate change that companies in Russia and other Eastern European countries, which are among the world's largest producers of greenhouse gases, are poised to earn hundreds of millions of dollars through trading their rights to release carbon dioxide into the air.

Spread the wealth.

CorpWatchRUSSIA: In Russia, Pollution Is Good for Business

If people knew what socialism was, what the results were, they wouldn't be for it.





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[Pineygirl]

Forget about him, OHH.
He is so stuck in his box of groupthink that it's locked, sealed, and he is forever unable to get out and use even common sense.
It's sad that there are many others like him out there, so smug and sure they are RIGHT -- yet they accuse others of the same thing, adding hypocrisy to their blindness.

[Arius]

Originally Posted by oldhardhead

Aruis,

Cap and trade is NOT clean air legislation.

CO2 is not a pollutant. It occurs naturally.

Wow, thanks for the education. I had no idea.

Mercury occurs naturally. Kiddie Kollege is an example of naturally occurring mercury becoming a pollutant.

Sulfur occurs naturally. Acid rain (which was virtually eliminated by a similar mechanism to Cap & Trade) is the result of sulfur as a pollutant.

Nitrogen is naturally occurring and composes 78% of the earth's atmosphere. Yet, through the human use of nitrogen for farming, it can pollute the groundwater system with human damaging consequences, usually in the form of cancer or thyroid condition.

Should I go on about the naturally occurring elements or molecules that man has turned into pollutants OHH? Nature is very specific as to the use of things, and when man exceeds nature's balance there are consequences. Sure, CO2 is a naturally occurring molecule, but would you build your house next door to a major emitter of CO2 or let your kids play in a playground adjacent to that property?

Or would you fill up your house with CO2 and live there because you have plants?

And that is what we are doing, we are filling up our house (the Earth) with more CO2 than it can handle. The result is the capture of solar energy underneath the atmosphere, which is causing warming. In addition, we are taking natural resources that are designed to provide balance...trees for example. The detestation of the rain forests have reduced Nature's ability to absorb CO2...since most of the CO2 is absorbed in the rain forest. Our pollution is destroying reefs globally with dire consequences to our ecosystem. We are the cause to the effect at some level, it is up to us to be the cause for much different results.

You simply cannot overlook the trash in the Pacific Ocean created by man, The world's rubbish dump: a garbage tip that stretches from Hawaii to Japan - Environment - The Independent, the Superfund sites in the US created by man, Pollution Locator: Superfund, the pollution in our waterways, america's ten most polluted rivers. , and the emissions of greenhouse gasses by industry (I have not included a link because they ALL are so biased that it is impossible to find clean information). This link, however, offers scientific information is what appears an unbiased format. The Greenhouse Gases

I am not knee jerk here OHH, I have researched this and come to the conclusion that while we may not be the cause, we are certainly a part of the ecosystem that can have the greatest effect. We always seek to separate ourselves, as somehow in our greatness and God-given superiority we are NOT part of the mix...we are above it and therefore can have no impact. But when you put us into the equation, and you see our effect on our environment, you see just how wrong we are.

[Arius]

Originally Posted by Pineygirl

Forget about him, OHH.
He is so stuck in his box of groupthink that it's locked, sealed, and he is forever unable to get out and use even common sense.
It's sad that there are many others like him out there, so smug and sure they are RIGHT -- yet they accuse others of the same thing, adding hypocrisy to their blindness.

LOL...you assume that disagreement with you is somehow agreement with someone else...and that such agreement is attachment to that group. You are so much the infant...

It's sad that those like me "think we are right"? I thought that was the essence of Pineygirl, the one who is "right because I am right". I would think you would admire so devotion to being right, given that is all you are devoted to.

I don't think you are blind...you can see where you are perfectly. So, tell me, what does the inside of your colon look like?